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This is pretty sick! The buildups are kind of choppy, I feel like especially at times like 00:34, the drums and stuff should just keep repeating faster and faster, to keep the tension a bit more. Other than that, my only critique is that you have maybe 4 or 5 different types basses in all 3 drops - and I mean they're good basses, but they just happen pretty often. But still, I mean, this is really sick!

Btw, where did you get that vocal?

TortaDiRiso responds:

they are from All Trap Music - Vocal samples <3

Roses are red and watered with rain...

Why was I built to feel nothing but pain.

...xD

Pharinfarin responds:

Exactly how I feel

Hey, that's my idea! xD

This song is pretty interesting. There's that big obvious motif of the four descending notes that happens so often that you know what I'm talking about. The only problem is that it happens so often that you know what I'm talking about! xD

I don't know what kind of music theory stuff you know, but if you know about motifs, try to remember all the crazy things you can do with motifs the next time you make a melody. Invert it, chop it up, reverse it, add notes, make a completely new motif, or any of the innumerable combinations thereof.

Also, don't forget to mess with the rhythm. If all the notes are the same length, it can sound kinda robotic.

I say all of that because you had a really interesting motif happening, but it just stayed static, and I think that maybe adding some more melodic interest might have helped.

Nevertheless, I'd say that 50 songs is a HECK of an accomplishment. xD

NixcoreMusic responds:

Yes, i know what you're talking about xD
Sometimes i get lazy with melodies or i make melodies that are similar to other songs from famous artists.
But anyway, thanks for the advice :)

This is pretty creative, and I think it paid off pretty well! Just a couple of things to say, though.

First of all, don't be too terribly simple. You don't want things to start sounding empty. A good rule of thumb that I've been using recently is that you should try to have something happening in all three general ranges - low, mid, and high. One instrument can cover multiple ranges, like a dubstep bass or that distorted screech lead that's so common that I don't need to explain much more. :P It also feels good if there's some background-y fx on different stuff like reverb and delay, but don't overdo it.

If you're going to break those rules, and you should, just make it clear that those rules are being broken, and make sure that they're being broken at appropriate times, like a bridge or a transition or something, e.g., remove all instruments but a possibly highpassed piano, and then go into a drop or something.

My second and final point has to do with music theory. It'd be easiest for me to explain this as though you know a bit of theory, so that's what I'll do. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then there's plenty of youtube videos about this stuff. :P

So the chord progression you have happening here is an odd 8-bar loop: Gm; Cm; FM; Gm; Gm; Cm; Cm, Dm; Gm. I used semicolons to differentiate which chords are being played in the same bar, each semicolon is a new bar.

This progression has some problems. There are two instances where the chord repeats, and when that happens, it has this odd... "forced" sound to it.

The other thing about this song is that it's in swing, and that kind of makes me think that the chords should be a bit more exotic and jazzy.

Here's my suggestion for a new chord progression: Gm7, D#Madd6, FMadd11, A#madd9, D#M7, Cmadd9, AMb7, DMb7.

Hope you know some theory! xD

But anyways, I just wanted to be helpful with that. Sorry if that was confusing!

Other than all that, it's a nice song! I like it a lot.

SpeTheof responds:

Hey thanks so much, about the chords, when a melody comes into my head, I have to follow it as it is, else my whole inspiration would be ruined. So i guess i followed what my mind told me to, even if that doesn't feel or sound right in some people's heads, but why should I follow some generic basics about chords and not make the song however I want :D

My first thought was, "wow, this took 6 hours?" but then I noticed the decimal point. xD

BlockGhost responds:

At least you look at the description haha

It's certainly not bad very much at all, but there are a couple of things I'd like to mention.

From 01:41 to 02:03, you have an interesting chord progression that uses what's called a borrowed chord. This song is in A minor, but the tonic chord (the "root" or "home" chord) is "borrowed" from A major.

That means that the melody is gonna have to do some funky business with what scale it's in at different points in time, depending on what chord it's over. When the melody is being played over that A major chord, you have to make the melody in A major, which you did. But, over any other chord that's not borrowed, you have to act like you're in A minor again, which you didn't.

No worries, it's pretty technical, but it's just something to be wary of.

(I don't want to sound condescending at all, it's just that I don't know if you know music theory... xD)

Secondly, and more importantly, a song should never, ever, EVER, E V E R take a year to finish!

1) You run a very large risk of becoming overly attached to that song, and you'll find it hard to move on from it.

2) You won't want to make another song because it feels like it might take another year.

3) Making songs faster makes you improve faster. The amount of improvement is directly related to how many songs you make. Makes sense, right? So, if you make songs faster, you improve faster.

Just... don't catch perfection-itis. If you do get it, my best advice is to stop caring. Just put random crap on NG or something. Don't worry if it sounds good. Make it just to make it for a while. If you want to be more active in eradicating that disease of perfectionism, then you might want to consider adopting the "20 hour guillotine," where after working on your song for 20 hours total, you immediately export your song and call it completely finished. (There are VSTs that track how much time you've worked on a song.)

Still though, this is pretty nice. I like the style of it. You may want to smooth out your transitions a bit, but otherwise, I like it.

BiTSTER responds:

Thank you! I kind of just left this track in the pile of other unfinished tracks. It sort of went brain dead for it when coming up to the breakdown but I had finally managed to think of something. I'm not too keen on music theory, so I'm a little lost at the part where you mention the borrowed chord. And now I must DEFINITELY research what that is so I don't make the same mistake twice! As for music in general, I wish I was as enthusiastic as I was when I was younger when making it. You're absolutely right, a track should NEVER take a year to finish. I've been focusing on video editing and graphic design mostly and music has just been a thing on the side as of late, but hopefully I'll jump back into releasing track after track like the old days! I really appreciate the feedback. It means more to me than you think. I look forward to hearing more from you if you ever take interest in my songs! Thank you for listening! :D

YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN TOO!?!? :D

Ok, so I like a lot of what's happening. I don't know how many songs you've made total, but it sounds like you've made ~25. If you have all the songs you've ever made on public display, and you haven't even made 10, then you're doing something incredibly right! xD

But, there might still be some things I could offer.

There's this website called EDMProd, and they have really good articles about music production, specifically, what the optimal mindset is. Be sure to look at some of their other articles, but these ones are definitely some of the best on that website:

The 5 Stages of an Electronic Music Producer: https://www.edmprod.com/5-stages-electronic-music-producer/

The CODA Method: https://www.edmprod.com/how-to-make-professional-music/

5 Hard-to-Develop Skills that All Successful Producers Have: https://www.edmprod.com/5-skills-successful-producers-have/

Speaking of great stuff, nice song! It sounds very full and lush with all the spacey FX going on. The drops felt a bit odd, and the drum pattern got repetetive, but other than that, I really like it. In my experience, those problems will work themselves out overtime, so don't sweat it too much. Make what sounds good.

Godspeed. xD

Dawphin responds:

Wow. This means a lot! Thanks for liking my music! Btw I've been producing for a long time, and I just haven't published a lot of music. I still have a lot of songs to come later on!

Animestep. Well okay then... kind of odd, but whatever... xD

Pretty good, but there's one thing that will make you want to slap yourself for not realizing it...

There's hardly any melodic content.

I say this with sympathy. I know how easy it is to think, "I mean, there's chords and drums and stuff, so it's ok, right?" Well, for the most part, people don't care about chords and drums unless they're really exotic. Even when that's the case, drums still don't matter too much. Otherwise, it's the melody people like. And for much of this song, there's not much of a melody. What you could call melodies are more like fleeting lead lines, they never seem to repeat. (I'm not entirely sure if they do repeat. It just doesn't feel like it, and if they do repeat, then sorry. :p)

It's a good idea to try to have a melody or two happening as often as possible.

As for actually making melodies, I'm not gonna lie, sometimes it's kinda hard. But, there's one pretty nice trick to remember when making melodies: Big skips.

Think of the Star Wars theme. Think of the Superman theme. Think of how memorable those are. It doesn't seem like this at first, but they're memorable because there are big skips (5 or more semitones). Try to make melodies with bigger skips, and they'll be more memorable. Don't ask me why that's the case. xD

Also, and probably more importantly, if you don't know what motifs are, you need to learn about that. (People might say "leitmotif" instead of motif. Potato, potato... wait, that doesn't really work in this, um... format... xD)

If you want to, you can just throw down some notes in https://onlinesequencer.net/ and practice making melodies that way. It can export midi, so if you end up making something you really like, you can download it. It's kinda nice not to always have to open up a DAW for that. :P

That's the main thing. You might also want to focus on mastering. I know Cymatics has a nice guide for mastering, you might want to check it out.

Don't get discouraged, though! You really are doing a lot right. Just keep making dubstep and you'll get better overtime. :D

charliux210123 responds:

Thx dude, i’ll try to improve next time

Pretty sick! I can tell that you guys worked hard on the presets and the website. I really like your tom fills! I'll have to use your stuff sometime. :p

Just a couple of things, though:

1) At least in Christian theology, "magik" is satanic. I don't know if that's what you were going for, so I don't know how you should take that, but just know that putting "majik" on some of your stuff looks not-quite-right to some. (I don't think that was your intention, I'd just like to let you know if you don't already. :D)

2) Your Serum presets, while interesting, are kind of wonky. The proper range for each preset is somewhat all over the place. I, personally, like making bass presets that sound good between C0 and C1. Cymatics makes bass presets that sound good generally between C1 and C2. My point is that you ought to choose an octave and stick to it, just to make it easier for people to scroll through presets and not have to worry about octaves.

3) The Serum wavetables are pretty awesome for the most part. A lot of them are resampled, which is fun, but if you don't do it properly, the wavetable becomes pretty hard to work with. (The worst offender is probably the second wavetable in Superova for Serum, "Actual Lazer," for example.) Probably the best way to avoid this kind of issue is by importing the sample using Serum's "dynamic pitch follow" option.

As a sidenote, bass wavetables usually sound a bit better if you use Serum's highpass fundamental option in the wavetable editor's "Process" tab.

I really don't mean to sound bossy or anything, I don't want to come off like that, but I'd rather tell you things that you already know than withhold things from you that you don't know.

Also... is there a way that I can contribute presets and wavetables and stuff? I love sound design, and I love giving free stuff, so is it okay if I do that somehow? :P

TheMajician responds:

You dont sound bossy at all, only very helpful! Actual Laser was one of the first wavetables i ever made just be resaming some harmor. Each time i dragged a wav file in i would drag it to all convert options, some sounded better than others it depended on the file. But then i learned about custom formulas, so for example, if the file is in C, then i put C0 into serums formula bar, and it resamples almost perfectly. As for the wonky preset thing ill definitly take note there, especially since im working on a really large dubstep pack (trying to get to a gig) as far as Magik goes, idk if you mean like David Copperfield type stuff is included, that certainly isnt against the Bible, but yeah, like Coven stuff amd witchcraft and other rituals are. But no that wasnt what i was going for, i myself am a strong Christian and chose “Majik Sounds” as my thing cuz im “The Majician” i appreciate you noticing and caring though

As for ou giving us sounds, well, all i can say is welcome to Audiophile Alliance! The weekly recap video and intro video on or YouTube explains what we are all about
Someone ese made the description tk that video and idk if he out our email address there, but if it isnt send stuff you want people to hear here:
Audiophilealliance@gmail.com
The video explains how it all works.
Thank you for the helpful feedback, tell your friends, and have a great day!

I might just have to use this as a reference track sometime.

PaperSkies responds:

I'd love to hear what you do with it!

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